Effective football from Kerry, more so than what they played against Tipp, Cork and Westmeath. The bit was between their teeth. They were kicking the ball again.

That was Coldrick's fault, not Kerry's. Fouling in the right areas is a tactic employed by many managers. If it works, why not?

By a worse token, Ewan, Tyrone should have had a handful off for some seriously dangerous football.

Yes, Conor Gormley and Ryan McMenamin and Patrick Curtin should have gone for filth but I'm talking about systematic fouling which is far more disruptive and a bigger threat to the game.

It doesn't make it in any way acceptable but all the top teams have their cynicism. Look at Donegal v Tyrone. Scrutinise that. Kevin McStay made a good point last night - where is this move to punish the third man tackle/blocking more severely?

Violence is a more serious threat to Gaelic football. Won't garner the hearts and minds with such behaviour.

Dunno about weak, he doled out 17 yellows! It's the 21st century, it's professional football now, and fouling in the right areas is part of it. It's up to the ref to do his job. And yes, that applies to both sides. It's the game now. Sure didn't Kevin McStay give out that Limerick hadn't the sense to drag down the Kildare lads en route to the late equaliser? Kerry were very good on the day but remember a couple of months ago how I said that Tyrone were hugely overrated? Mind you, I thought Kerry were so gone Tyrone might still win. I wouldn't think Kerry are going to win an All-Ireland or anything though.

Hard to believe that Maurice D did not send Conor C off last Sat. I rem the 2008 A I final too and Gormley persistently and consistently fouled Cooper. One knee in the back as Cooper was on the springs to mind. Rem Gormley going over to shake hands with Maurice D @ half time. Now why would he do that?

I presume Ewan's point is that a ref gives a yellow for something but won't give the second yellow for the same. And that's part of the common refereeing inconsistency. The advantage rule is another joke referees mess up completely. They actually don't seem to understand it. And as for tackling? Well that's not the refs' fault in fairness, there isn't a rule that the finest minds in the game can coach

Interesting point, Ray. Tyrone, as Kieran Donaghy said, didn't like Kerry were so on top in first-half. Kerry were going to kill the game by hook or by crook. That's the legacy of last September.

Teams are being rewarded for breaking the rules and I think it's fair to say everyone is getting annoyed with it. A bit like rugby and the breakdown, if you can read the referee early in the game you can set your own marker.
What's the solution though? How do you get it out of the game?

Where's the Tipp game John?

Tipp v Down, Cusack Park, Mullingar 4pm

Next Saturday