The fallen team often grabs the headlines but when that team is Cork, the sport hurling and the result is relegation from the top level of a game often accused of being predictable we have to ask - is this a positive or negative for hurling?
Irrespective of Cork going down, the stakes in Division 1A are too high. Relegation is hellish for any team in Division 1B. Just ask Limerick.
That's an interesting question - particularly the "game often accused of being predictable" part. Dare we say that it's little more than a storm in a teacup?
Division 1B in year 3 of JBM's second coming doesn't make for progress.
Whether it is a positive or a negative "for hurling" (I would posit that more people care about their own counties than the sport in general), it's not a huge one either way. Cork will most likely win Div 1B next year and in any case, you wouldn't be putting the house on Clare if they do meet Cork in Munster SHC.
Anyone agree that Cork are better equipped to cope with relegation than Clare would have been? Both in the short term and the medium term?
More interesting to see the Waterford fans taking umbrage at . . . er, nothing . . . in Mr Fogarty's tweets earlier
The game that really caught Cork was the one in Páirc Uí Rinn v Clare, when they were cantering and had a complete meltdown. Win that and they were on five points ahead of trips to Galway and Kilkenny
Savaged, I was, Mike. Savaged.
Amazing the way a propos of absolutely nothing the whole world expects cork to be unrelegated in some way back into the "top" "flight"
Yeah, I don't think anybody from Cork has suggested changing the system
A backhanded compliment of Cork's sway but exactly: they haven't called for anything.
I know! It's amazing, isn't it?! How could anyone expect Cork to be the beneficiaries of some rule change or the discovery of some arcane rule?
Being serious about it, I thought JBM struck precisely the right note. It isn't the end of the world, they were in
A case of putting two and two together and getting five: this league is wrong in its set-up plus a traditional stronghold going down.
Cork can still win Division 1 next year but that's not the point.
But Enda isn't that a point you could make about any sporting reversal - 'nobody died here today' etc - but given where Cork started from in the league . . .
Oops... It isn't the end of the world, they were in Division 1B or its equivalent before, they've had a series of very competitive outings this spring - and, above all, JBM will ultimately be judged on the championship.
The same note Jim McGuinness struck last week Enda but the stats show, in both sports, only those in the top league can win an All-Ireland. Does this mean we write off Cork for an All-Ireland this year?
J F is right, the structure can be wrong irrespective of whether it's a weak or strong county that goes down, but given the touchiness being exhibited how dare anyone say that
Terry: Cork were in the top flight this spring, if you get me...
For a county that will need funds for PUC redevelopment, they're unlikely to get as bad a chunk of the gate receipt change next year.
Maybe relegation will have implications for them in 2014. In fact, it will. But not in 2013.
The bottom line seems to be that the league is only given importance if you do badly. Nobody was saying Cork were the second-best team in the country for reaching the final last year.
Is it not nice to point out that hitting over twenty wides is not Division 1A standard shooting?
Were up for Cork. Eamon O'Shea was right - four games in as many weeks is a lot for a young, developing side. The two week break suited them fine.
Yes, surely that's an equally big story. They survived. A much happier camp today with a very relieved manager, I'd suggest.
What's worrying Cork John is that they have a claim on being a young side themselves
Clare remind me of Cork circa 2003 - high point tallies but not a great goal threat.
And shockingly high wides tallies too!
And let's face it, that's going to matter during the summer when the opposition have caught up in terms of fitness...
Everyone is tip toeing around this because it's become a bit repetitive but can everyone give a reason why they like/hate this new league structure?
Major confidence boost for Clare as much as their conversion rate is an issue. Waterford game will be fired up.
Not enough games, thin line between relegation and promotion, two decent teams left to play lesser opposition...