It was one of the most dramatic endings to the league in living memory but there has been relatively little excitement from supporters or the players - is that the GAA league in a nutshell?
The reaction of Jim McGuinness probably tells you all that you need to know Terry. I'm sure privately he was disappointed but publicly, he's not too fussed about dropping down to Division 2. you'll still have a strong calibre of opposition down there.
Dramatic because six of the eight teams in Division 1 either qualified for a semi-final or were relegated. Still far too many teams being rewarded for mediocrity.
Congratulations to Westmeath and Derry but I'd be concerned the jump is too big for them. Kildare and Tyrone surprised me but then they are established teams at this stage. Can the same be said of Westmeath and Derry?
There's two-thirds of the average intercounty schedule completed and while yesterday was a brief bit of fun, it's one awfully long preseason!
Who were the big winners from the league?
Jim Gavin a fan of combining league with championship. League should be linked with it in some way to elevate it and the GAA season as a whole.
Anyone who stayed in Division One the big winners, but Dublin changed their style while continuing to win, Tyrone and Kildare stopped the rot and the latter found some much needed youth.
Dublin the big winners. What happens over next two weekend Division 1 weekends pales in comparison to some of the previous weeks. Although, if Dublin and Kildare reach final...
Kildare's game an irrelevance yesterday. Often in the league, the reaction amuses me. A team wins, that's great, a team loses, they are in trouble. I found more problems in Kildare's victories than in some of their defeats.
But Colm McFadden going off with cramp after a half of football on a seemingly vital day sums up the last three months nicely.
Niall Moyna said if he didn't get Down Championship fit in 8 weeks he wouldn't be worth his salt. The league is relevant but it can become more relevant.
Cork are close to where I imagine Conor Counihan wants them to be. Aidan Walsh the number one midfielder in country now.
Colm O'Neill's a massive loss though
So is Jim McGuinness right to completely dismiss the relevancy of their relegation or is he trying to talk up his side?
A bit of both, Terry. They did reach an All-Ireland semi-final from Division 2 but things have changed a little. Mickey Harte's truism still holds weight.
Might hurt them a little next year Terry, but not this time around. They conceded more and scored less I believe last league and ended up on the same points tally, so arguably given strength of Division One and where they were coming from, they've been going better.
Just catching up... To be fair to McGuinness, he said last year at the start he didn't care about the league and they stayed up. He said the same this year and repeated it after winning games. For the top teams with sights on further down the road, it is just a training ground. It's more important to the likes of Div 4, Div 3 teams, with little chance of silverware. So it serves a purpose but not in its winning. Donegal suffered a mauling last year and 13 of the players started the All-Ireland final.
League has been tremendous for Dublin and Kildare. Limerick took it very seriously this year and have some fine young players coming through. I cannot see Cork winning an All-Ireland without Colm O'Neill.
Wouldn't agree with Dunedin. Long term injuries to Sheehan and Goulding would make a crisis.
For those that for Donegal it's a disaster for this championship, I'm curious why exactly? They had a better league than last year!
I was talking to a member of a Division 1 backroom team recently and he said they would prefer to go back to the old days of weaker groups so they could use the league to experiment more. Thought it was fine if the goal of the league was a pre-season tournament but surely the GAA are pushing the entertainment value now so that should mean a more competitive league?
That's always been the case though and still is. Let's be honest, there is absolutely nothing even
near premier about the league.
Lads, you'd swear this is a new thing with the league - it's been ever thus. The league has always been a secondary competition - it's the same at club level. Who remembers the league winners? Winning a league doesn't save a season.